Friday, March 03, 2006

I Hooked One!

Remember my Quixtar is AMWAY post from October 12th? I wrote that post as an experiment. My daughter had previously posted on Amway and received comments, for several months, from irate Amway distributors and from people who had been scammed by this pyramid scheme.

I have been too busy to check the comments on this post, until today. It seems that, tan-one, took exception to our comments. Tan-one has a blog dedicated to WWDB(World Wide Dream Builders), another Amway alias.
Here's what tan-one has to say:

"I get such a kick out of all your responses. You use words like, lure, cult, victim, and weird. Clearly you don't understand the true nature of the Quixtar business. Yes, Quixtar is a sister company to Amway, and yes the IBO's, of which I am one, do sell cleaning products, as well as personal care, nutrition, and many others. In fact the Nutrilite nutrition products are a 70 year old business, are completely organic, and sell more than any competitive product line in the world.Just admit that you are not interested in it. As for the zombieslayer I know dozens of people building huge businesses affiliated with Quixtar. You just aren't looking, or don't have the inclination to see the trugh about it. If any of you sat down with me you would find out all the information you would need to make a decision, who the companies are and their relationship, what the products are, the compensation program, the support and training programs. The bottom line now is that the ecommerce aspect of the Quixtar business is in the right place at the right time, and is growing substantially. It is not for everybody, but then whatever you do for a living isn't for everybody either."

Nothing new here; same old rhetoric. I'll have to remember to check this post now and then to see if I "hook" anybody else.

Now if I could only "hook" someone with my Tyler Amdahl post....

54 Comments:

At 3/03/2006 6:35 PM, Blogger Laura said...

you should turn on email notification for comments - that helps me. Though if it's an old post, I've driven myself mad trying to find the post the comment is from.

Amway is just plain weird. I've never had any personal experience with them, but an old friend of mine from college was involved with them as a teen and he called it a cult too.

 
At 3/03/2006 7:05 PM, Blogger Notta Wallflower said...

Too funny that she admonishes people for thinking it's a cult or blah, blah, blah right before she begins her indoctrination speech...

 
At 3/03/2006 7:59 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Laura, my best friend from kindergarten and her husband are some sort of "jewel" in the pyramid. She kept asking us to join their "home business", but would clam up when I questioned her about the nature of their business. Weird is right!

Notta, I found this amusing too. They're not brainwashed, honest. hehe

 
At 3/03/2006 9:55 PM, Blogger SME said...

Brace yourself for a slew of these kinds of comments in months to come. I'm STILL getting emails!! Friggin' Amway. ;P

 
At 3/03/2006 9:56 PM, Blogger SME said...

If it's not at all cult-like...why do they feel a need to respond immediately whenever someone makes even the sublest anti-Amway remarks?!

 
At 3/04/2006 12:35 AM, Blogger The Zombieslayer said...

Heh. I think I told you before that someone tried to get me into the Amway cult in the mid-90s, and someone else tried to get me into the Quixtar cult a few years ago. I actually went to a Quixtar seminar. You want to see a bunch of zombies? I'm just glad I got out of there before I got bitten.

 
At 3/04/2006 6:46 AM, Blogger tshsmom said...

SME, this is the 1st one. I felt rather slighted, after ALL the reaction you got.
I bow to you, oh great Amway Deprogrammer! ;)

ZS, practically everyone I know has been approached by Amway. SME's ex got taken for a HUGE ride. They might just be the secret zombie headquarters. ;)
We all MISS YOU!! So get your shit together, and come back to leading us in the Anti-Zombie Campaign!

 
At 3/04/2006 9:22 AM, Blogger Davey said...

What the heck is AMWAY??? Yes I live under a rock

 
At 3/04/2006 9:36 AM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Davey, they sell cleaning and personal hygiene products. They either go door to door, or sell on the party plan.
The corporation makes most of their money from their dealers, who get conned into buying training tapes and going to pricey conventions. It's a SCAM; stay far, far away.

 
At 3/04/2006 10:19 AM, Blogger Bridget Jones said...

That's FUNNY!!! Thanks for posting it, best laugh I've had in months, tshsmom!!

 
At 3/04/2006 10:19 AM, Blogger Bridget Jones said...

p.s., Zomb, ditto what tshsmom said! Come on home!!

 
At 3/04/2006 10:42 AM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Bridg, this was a NATURAL, rather than CULTIVATED, joke. hehe

 
At 3/04/2006 11:58 AM, Blogger European said...

I've never heard of Amway before, but I'm comfortable with saying no when someone comes to my door, and as a rule, I don't go to "parties" where something is sold.

That comment made me crack up though. Not brainwashed in the least! Hehe.

 
At 3/04/2006 12:17 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Euro, beware of people who have a "business" that they want you to join, and they won't tell you what it is up front.

 
At 3/04/2006 1:04 PM, Blogger Squirl said...

I live in Amway town. The Amway people have their money and the fingers in most of the business around Grand Rapids, including the politics. TOne of heir head honchos, Dick DeVos, is running on the Republican ticket for governor here in Michigan. Not much nice to say about them.

 
At 3/04/2006 3:15 PM, Blogger Candace said...

Amway is kinda freaky. We had a friend hit us up about going to his lecture but fortunately dh knew what it was. I'm pissed at Melaleuca for this lie they were using to try to sell their crap.

I had someone on a homeschooling board try to get me take advvantage of a "business opportunity" and she wouldn't even tell me what it was! WTH?!? Can you say RED FLAG? LOL! How on Earth do they find people who will sign up? Yeesh!

 
At 3/04/2006 3:23 PM, Blogger Candace said...

Oh, they mention Amway at the bottom of that Snopes link, too.

 
At 3/04/2006 6:07 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Squirl, they're a shifty bunch. I wouldn't trust them either.

Candace, that was an incredible link and I recommend that everybody here read about how low-down this CULT can be.
I love how she says that a child's life makes their products well worth the extra price. What a LOAD!!

They hooked my best friend and my daughter's ex through religion. They're a very Christian company, you know. Yeah, right!!
My best friend of 40 yrs wouldn't even tell me what she was trying to lure me into!! We've shared each other's deepest, darkest secrets, but she wouldn't tell me her "business" was Amway!

 
At 3/04/2006 10:41 PM, Blogger Faltenin said...

I want a poster that says "The trugh is out there"...LOL

 
At 3/05/2006 6:52 AM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Me too Fal. hehe
Paragraphs don't seem to be a real strong Amway dealer trait either.

 
At 3/05/2006 3:27 PM, Blogger greatwhitebear said...

Amway was actually a great deal... if you got in early. Those on the top several levels of the pyramidhave gotten fabulously wealthy. People think Gordie Howe made his money playing hockey. He didn't. He and his wife were one of the first couple of direct distributors. I believe they are still the largest. They became fabulously wealthy as a result.

But all the real money to be made there is in the top layers of the pyramid. The base is now so big it is almost impossible for anyone breaking in to make a dime.

 
At 3/07/2006 4:10 PM, Blogger zydeco fish said...

Quixtar seems like a cult to me. Anyway, there is enough critical stuff on the web to make most people question the operation...unless you have already been converted.

 
At 3/07/2006 5:26 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

ZF, my daughter printed out REAMS of info on Amway/Quixtar/WWDB. There were only 2 sides to this issue: true believers and horror stories from those who had been scammed.
I never liked their products anyway; too pricey!

 
At 3/08/2006 4:10 AM, Blogger Vest said...

Amway has little to offer that most stores would sell to you at a price far less than Amway would skin you for. Amway represents a bunch of Pikers and their consumers (unless Stupidly rich) easily led or thick in the head.
Say "No Way" To Amway.

 
At 3/08/2006 6:20 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Welcome home Vest!! Congrats on the weight loss! Z is busy composing a thank you to you and R. He LOVED the books! Thanks for making his day! L scanned some of the pictures and we now have a Tasmanian desktop on our computer.
I'm sorry to hear that Amway has found it's way to Oz too. :(

 
At 3/11/2006 8:12 PM, Blogger truth said...

Those pesky Quixtar/Amway people will hound you till you join or tell them to get out of your face. I know I used to be one. My wife and I quit when we started to see the inner lining and what was really going on. Now I run my own blog http://www.quixtarinsideout.com and have my own podcast giving everyone the truth behind the scenes. I love reading posts on blogs by outsiders looking in, it gives great perspective on why this is not a good thing to get involved in.

 
At 3/12/2006 9:23 AM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Thanks for stopping by Truth! I hope you didn't get taken for too much of a ride by Amway.
Horror stories abound on this subject. My daughter extensively researched Amway, when her future husband got hooked. It was scary!

 
At 3/12/2006 10:25 PM, Blogger truth said...

Yes, it is very scary, and we got taken for enough of a ride that we were set back a few years financially. Will take a while to repair our credit. It's pretty upsetting just to think about it. But that is the main motivation behind my blog, I don't want others making the same mistake I did. If they are going to get in, I want them to know everything, not just what their sponsor wants to tell them.

 
At 3/13/2006 9:33 AM, Anonymous guest said...

With all this talk about Quixtar is a cult and a scheme why is it that they have partners like Disney, Office Depot, Circuit City, Bass Pro Shop, and so on. Is Disney a cult to along with all the other companies? Don't you think the thousands of Layers associated with these Fortune 500 companies would have figured it out or do you think they realized Quixtar and there IBO's no what they're doing.

 
At 3/13/2006 4:07 PM, Anonymous Will said...

I love how everyone assumes that since they had some bad sponsor that everyone in Q* is bad.
I'm part of an ethical team that doesn't push tools, etc. They are OPTIONAL!
And who is the yoga queen that thinks motivation is only internal?? Why do sports teams have coaches? Why do people workout with a parnter? Soemtimes External motivation is needed as well!

And you imply that the books we read are wriiten by people just trying to rip others off? We read some of the best selling books in history! Some of you critics are so narrow-minded that you think these books are written by people in the Q* business! Most of the suggested reading list contains authors like Dale Carnegie, Og Mandino, Napolean Hill, etc.

You wanna hear about authors that rip off others?- How about al the college professors that write a book on the subject they teachm and then make it the REQUIRED text! Why aren't there blogs on that?

Are these sites the only research some of you critics do? You just read random anonymous opinions and then repeat them... until they just get accepted as truth by the general public. (Kinda like that Constitutional Law about Seperation of Church and State, everyone knows about that- only 1 thing, those words never even appear in the Constitution! But the majority thinks they do.)

Why don't you guys look at more credible resources such as the BBB website, the attorney general, the FTC, Dunn & Bradstreet, Forbes. Now that you've read all the disgruntled critic side, why not get the other side by looking at sites such as www.thisbiznow.com, or www.quixtarfacts.com for starters.

But I guess that's only if you really want All the facts and not just some of them. But at least try to make an informed decision.

 
At 3/14/2006 2:18 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Looks like we're rattling some cages Truth.

 
At 3/14/2006 3:28 PM, Blogger X Octavius said...

That's the thing, will. Everyone within these pyramid like businesses are not bad people. In fact, one of my good friends from high school joined a while back (I went to the meeting yesterday as a guest just to entertain him). Excellent and very intelligent person.

The problem with this organization is that the pyramid is too far down for anyone to fully benefit from it. This is why the majority of the people who join now will inevitably fail, because they're so low on the totem pole.

And they probably don't write jargon within the books they write. I'm sure they have plenty of useful and motivating information. What makes it an issue is the pursuit to continuously put money into different medias to "make you successful" when they don't have that kind of money to spend in the first place. This is something that I never heard throughout any meetings that I had with Quixtar representatives. Not once were tapes, books, or videos mentioned.

Also of note: Relax, dude. It's just a blog.

 
At 3/14/2006 6:34 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Thanks X; very eloquent!

Just curious, did your friend tell you what "business" he was involved in?

 
At 3/15/2006 12:50 AM, Blogger SME said...

It's funny one of the Quixtar slogans is "Success on your terms". (As long as you do everything they say, to the letter.)

 
At 3/15/2006 2:58 AM, Blogger truth said...

The truth usually does rattle a few cages, and so do I LOL!

Anyway to "guest" my reply would be that those companies are doing business with Quixtar the company, not the business owners. As far as the corporation goes there is no issue to worry about. However, the motivational organizations are another story. That is where the deception, lies, and corruption starts, and those companies are not doing business with them. Your comment is so typical of misinformed IBO's. Why don't you head on over to http://www.quixtarinsideout.com and get a look at the truth.

To "Will" I simply say that your comment is so full of typical lines used by IBOs, I was able to finish your sentences for you while reading your comment. Sounds like you could head over to my blog and use a dose of the Truth yourself. Simply listening to your upline and spewing those lines back out for yourself is not going to get you the truth. Oh and there are many authors that write books and make a good killing off of Quixtar IBO's. Ever heard of Shad Helmstetter?

 
At 3/15/2006 8:23 AM, Blogger X Octavius said...

No, I didn't mention to him what kind of "business" it was, unfortunately. That would be suicide as to where I was now, since it was right after a meeting that I last saw him. He may be back in my home town this weekend, so I'll give him a little info on it.

Glad you enjoy the comment.

 
At 3/15/2006 3:39 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

X, it looks like Truth would have a LOT of info for your speech!

 
At 3/18/2006 3:11 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Quixtar is a scam bigtime, I have a friend who joined it, hung round for a week or two, didn't do any work, then quit. What a rip off, he didn't get rich for no work.... in fact he even lost a few hundred dollars.

Owning a Cafe is another scam to watch out for, my girlfriends sister had a cafe, hired other people to do all the work, because she didn't like to do too much.... She quit after a few months. What a rip off she didn't get rich for no work either, .. and she lost her HOUSE!

social security is better than that, they pay you to do nothing.

And ALL those IBO's are dodgy, I know because I met one or two (out of millions worldwide) once who put some pressure tactics on me, or acted in with a lack of integrity in some way.

Make sure you watch out for the used car salesmen, and insurance salesmen, and lawyers, and those banks.. the pressure they put on you when you miss a payment ...... and don't ever invest in Enron... I've met one or two people in those professions that lack integrity so they ALL must be dodgy.


And man is Quixtar/Amway a cult... they think differently than me... they must be brainwashed...

and all they think about/do is about building thier business...

and watch out for engineers too ... my father (an engineer) spends 80 hours a week at work and when he comes home what do you think he does... he brings work home... talk about obsessive... his boss must be brainwashing him cas if he was normal he would watch cable and play playstation with me.

And watch out for high achieving sports people... I saw on TV.. (I am normal and 'not brainwashed' so I watch a lot... it is sooo productive) anyways.. I saw on TV about these swimmers who wanted to achieve something extraordinary in thier life...they swim before work... they jog at lunchtime... and swim after work..they don't go to TGIF on fridays and drink... they train.. they must be brainwashed... and talk about a cult.... and how pushy are thier coaches... if the swimmers didn't turn up to training they CALLED them at home... what a pushy invasive cult... why don't they try and get something for nothin like me... why do they work so obbsessively hard to achieve thier dream?

OHHHHH and college... my friend dropped 50k on a college degree and now can't get a job in the field he trained in... (actually he did get an offer, but it was too many hours.. it cut into his playstation time)... so he has to wait tables... college WHAT A RIP OFF.

Face it folks... WINNERS in all walks of life... sport, business, politics, arts... EVERYWHERE... think differently than you folk... if you hung around some winners you might pick up thier attitudes and start to become one yourself... but be careful... if you start having winners attitudes your friends will say you have been brainwashed.

And for the record.. is Quixtar/Amway for everyone... NO... I am not in it, I have my own traditional business... ... but I know several who are including my brother, and have great respect for the leaders in it... it makes great money (the catch is you have to work).... and the people I know aren't pushy or any of the other things you say... they have more integrity than I do... I make money off people who buy stuff from my business and offer them no opportunity in return... at least these guys offer hope to people who don't know enough to start a traditional business.

 
At 3/18/2006 7:14 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Anon, you're absolutely correct. Pro sports IS a cult! It brainwashes all the people who MUST watch it and buy paraphenalia from their favorite teams.
As for Amway; it's a pyramid. IF successful, you're making money from the sweat of OTHERS!

 
At 3/19/2006 1:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Absolutely, I agree, success in Quixtar/Amway means making money from the sweat of others, no argument there.

Its a pity your employer doesn't make money from your labours cas it means he's going bankrupt soon and you're going to have to find a job with someone who does make money off you.

Then again maybe your existing employer could lay 10% of his existing workforce off, and become profitable again, saving 90% of the jobs there, but then you would have to take industrial action because the evil employer put profits before people, wake up to yourself, this is the real world not a fairy tale.

Oh and if a pyramid is where the person at the top makes more money than the person at the bottom, ask your employer to pay you more than he makes in profit from your sweat and see what happens.

Its those evil capitalists you know, pity the commies didn't win the cold war and then we could all live in poverty equally togtether.

 
At 3/19/2006 7:54 AM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Anon, I actually DO have earnings equal to my boss. I'm a waittress in a small restaurant with 9 employees.
My tips exceed my paycheck. My tips reflect my effort at making this restaurant a success. My fellow employees, my boss, and I, work together as a family so we ALL make a decent living.
You're barking up the wrong tree here!

 
At 3/20/2006 6:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's kind of interesting how the critics can spell very well and keep repeating each other. I am a housekeeper and make good money, but I dream of not working, of being able to stay at home with my kids while they are small. I clean for a couple Quixtar families, they are normal people with normal lives and devoted to their work. Ok so they dont work the normal 9-5 or sweat real hard but they have put in time, money, and mental work to make their dreams come true. One couple is retirement age and no out in the work force making enough to get by, the support a daughter in another country doing missionary type work, and they have a handycapped daughter at home. The wife has undergone treatment for Lukemia and has to be very careful with her health. They are very real people,with real life situations, but this is what they choose to do because they belive in it and are free by it. Another couple is at the diamond level, Tom and Val Gonser (some of you may recognise the names). They are such warm friendly people, energetic and inspiring, they have sons my age and a couple small grandsons, they are free, they are living their dream and sharing it with their family. I am there when they talk on the phone and encorage others, I clean the dust that piles up when they are gone traveling, I see the laundry that collects in piles, I am around when they are exausted and crash on the couch for a quick cat nap, or when they loose their voices from speaking at rallys. I hear the love in their voices when they talk about their families, and the respect their children have for them I hope my children will have for me someday too. Their kids arent perfect, but wow do they love their parents, and they tell them often, you dont see that much anymore.
It's not a cult, they all do their own thing, but they tend to train in the fashion that proves to work, people who join can see that. These people dont work like you and me but they do work, they dont make money like you and me but they do make money, and in return they pay me for my sweat, and for me to pay the smaller people under me, who I make a profit off of...

 
At 3/23/2006 11:03 PM, Blogger truth said...

WOW! 42 comments so far. What is not surprising however is the same drivel from the pro-Quixtar people. The silly comparisions they make to help justify to themselves why they are in a business that will always require someone losing money for anyone to make money. Let's review some of these for the truth:

IBO's will tell you that anyone who quit didn't work hard enough...FALSE!

IBO's like to admit that there are unethical people in Quixtar but they are a large minority, and it isn't their group...funny how it is never their group isn't it? Anyway...FALSE!

I would agree that Quixtar distributors are like used car salesmen, lawyers, bankers, and insurance salesmen they only care about money. Actually I would rate the above professions higher then Quixtar distributors.

Yeah and those sports figures and engineers are hanging out at book stores, and stalking people at the mall to get them to join up aren't they? They are also decieving people and lying about their business too aren't they? Sorry this comparision is once again...FALSE!

Of course it wouldn't be complete without some pro-Quixtar flunky comparing it to college. Geee, I have never heard that one before. I mean doesn't everyone go to college to make millions, who knew college costed money?

But in the end we have anon, another pro-Quixtar person calling anyone who does not agree with the Quixtar plan, a loser. How original!

Oh but wait there is more, the false comparision to your employer making money off of you. Of course, every employer in this country has employees that actually pay more to work then they make giving them a paycheck in the negative every week. What? You say that's not true? Well that is how it is in Quixtar, there are over 50% of IBO's who can't cover their system expenses with their Quixtar income each month. Sorry anon, even working for minimum wage is a better deal then Quixtar will ever be.

Truth out!
http://www.quixtarinsideout.com

 
At 3/24/2006 2:33 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Thanks Truth! I LOVED your reference to negative paychecks! Keep spewing that truth pal!!

BTW, my daughter has a link to you. You're her hero!

 
At 3/26/2006 11:21 PM, Blogger truth said...

Well tell your daughter thank you. I appreciate the link and the fanbase.

I think the only thing more annoying to a pro-Quixtar person then a critic, is someone like you on the outside looking in seeing this "business" for what it really is. Keep it up!

 
At 3/29/2006 7:16 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Yeah, a couple of them have linked to me as a "bad person". I have no problem with that. ;)

 
At 4/13/2006 12:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello, my name is Cristian, I am from Romania, Europe, the capital is Bucharest and not Budapest or Sophia as some of you seem to know from CNN and would like to thank you for the blog! It is highly informative and has actually helped me learn more about the Quixtar company, the business model driven by this company, the people affiliated with it and not the least about you and equally about me. I am thankful for my effort. For one, I already am an IBO. On the other hand, I follow the business plan to obtain what I ultimately desire. It is not easy however; people with attitude problems spring up on a daily basis and having acknowledged you helps to reinforce the fact. Thus, thank you! I learned more. I will not really comment on the quality of most of the given answers and do not look to do so for the future ones either. The quantity is impressive though! Some small points to make in response to the individual called truth are worth the consideration though.

"IBO's will tell you that anyone who quit didn't work hard enough...FALSE!"

English may be the second of the fifth language to me but the nature of your statement is clear enough to brand it false. The most eloquent example is my mother. She told me "Cristian, I would try this for a week but if I do not see any results, I will quit for sure." The catchy word is "try". It does not translate as the duplicate of "do". Nothing gets accomplished with the "try" philosophy. You can try and fail but if you "do", you will get what you want even tough you try and fail many times. Does that sound too good to be true? You can work hard but you can work smart too. Any work requires some effort. No effort, no dream or I should say, broken dream. Thus working hard enough really means putting enough effort to get yourself going where you want to be. Do you know where you want to be? Maybe, but your answer does not imply that you are willing to do what it takes. In general, not just this business model.

"Oh but wait there is more, the false comparision to your employer making money off of you. Of course, every employer in this country has employees that actually pay more to work then they make giving them a paycheck in the negative every week. What? You say that's not true?"

For the start, even someone with just junior school education realizes that the employer is wealthier than its employees. It is only true. He educated himself to be in the position where he makes more that the employees who are below him. Do you make more than your employer or is the reverse true? As you stated, the employers pay some harder working employees more. It is only true yet again.
I would like to thank all of you for reading these few lines with my expectations always kept at the same modest levels. You all have a nice day!

 
At 4/13/2006 8:09 PM, Blogger truth said...

I'm always amazed at how some IBOs try to come in and make it seem as if they have the grasp on the situation, when all they really manage to do is say the same garbage that was said before, only they package it up differently. The only difference with this IBO is that he sprinkled a bit of elitism on top.

I call myself truth because that is what I seek and that is what I tell. So let me drop a little dose of it on you my friend.

YOU SAY: "English may be the second of the fifth language to me but the nature of your statement is clear enough to brand it false."

I SAY: Here is your elitist statement basically said for no reason other then to try and put yourself in an elitist position over others here.

So you want to talk about hard work and smart work eh? OK, first of all your little speech about try and do has been heard many times by Diamond IBOs and is nothing more then "tapespeak". Also, your little dance you did around the issue is no different then what other IBO's say. You are saying those who quit did not work hard enough. Again, I know of countless individuals who spent countless hours doing everything they were told they needed to do to be a success, and could still not get ahead.

Since leaving Quixtar I have had three other businesses, two still currently running. I have had to put in less effort at all three of these and have been very successful at all of them. It is not a matter of working hard enough or smart enough to get what you want. It is a matter of working hard enough and smart enough with a business plan that makes sense.

 
At 4/19/2006 10:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello truth,

Thanks for the reply. A few points are in order.

1)"I call myself truth because that is what I seek and that is what I tell."

I am glad you do and so am I. What guarantees however, that both of us are truthful enough to seek the truth in its entirety?

2)"OK, first of all your little speech about try and do has been heard many times by Diamond IBOs and is nothing more then "tapespeak". Also, your little dance you did around the issue is no different then what other IBO's say."

I have a problem. I am not an avid reader and when I get excited to listen to a CD something distracts me from doing it. I don't read, I barely listen to CDs and that is a problem. This is my second year as an IBO and out of the 200+ contacts I made, none got in. None! Two years and not a contact got in! The problem is me. I need to forcefully discipline myself to see the results. Hence, by comparison to myself, I realize that those who quit did not work hard enough. They were in the same position as I am now; lots of contacts, no people got in and they just gave up. Yet, I somehow chose not to quit because I am a dreamer who wants to acomplish something but, for that to become true, I must change. How does change come about with no change at all? The answer lies in the question. All this stylish talk did not come from reading books and listening to CDs, as I said in my case, it just comes from who I am as an individual. And that is where the paradox meets the downfall. I share concepts with this business model and its people because my mentality just happens to identify itself with theirs. Hence, I wonder to this day if it is not for my familiar yet foreign from my own conciousness qualities that God chose to lead me on this path of touching the lives of millions of individuals. I do not know God and neither does anyone else except the Son. Just as I am glorified by the will to rise up to the challenge and defeat the odds so am I thrown into shame by the self proclaimed postponement of the victory. The real war is within myself and I accept nothing less than victory. Nothing is impossible if you chose to accept so yet, all is equally possible even when you chose to accept the opposite. Hence, it is a matter of working hard enough and smart enough with a business plan that makes sense just as we both agree on.
Nevertheless, I wish you good luck with your two currently running businesses. You will succeed if you chose to. Remember, difference starts with the individual, not with the masses.

"I have learned to use the word impossible with the greatest caution." by Werner von Braun

 
At 4/19/2006 10:15 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello truth,

Thanks for the reply. A few points are in order.

1)"I call myself truth because that is what I seek and that is what I tell."

I am glad you do and so am I. What guarantees however, that both of us are truthful enough to seek the truth in its entirety?

2)"OK, first of all your little speech about try and do has been heard many times by Diamond IBOs and is nothing more then "tapespeak". Also, your little dance you did around the issue is no different then what other IBO's say."

I have a problem. I am not an avid reader and when I get excited to listen to a CD something distracts me from doing it. I don't read, I barely listen to CDs and that is a problem. This is my second year as an IBO and out of the 200+ contacts I made, none got in. None! Two years and not a contact got in! The problem is me. I need to forcefully discipline myself to see the results. Hence, by comparison to myself, I realize that those who quit did not work hard enough. They were in the same position as I am now; lots of contacts, no people got in and they just gave up. Yet, I somehow chose not to quit because I am a dreamer who wants to acomplish something but, for that to become true, I must change. How does change come about with no change at all? The answer lies in the question. All this stylish talk did not come from reading books and listening to CDs, as I said in my case, it just comes from who I am as an individual. And that is where the paradox meets the downfall. I share concepts with this business model and its people because my mentality just happens to identify itself with theirs. Hence, I wonder to this day if it is not for my familiar yet foreign from my own conciousness qualities that God chose to lead me on this path of touching the lives of millions of individuals. I do not know God and neither does anyone else except the Son. Just as I am glorified by the will to rise up to the challenge and defeat the odds so am I thrown into shame by the self proclaimed postponement of the victory. The real war is within myself and I accept nothing less than victory. Nothing is impossible if you chose to accept so yet, all is equally possible even when you chose to accept the opposite. Hence, it is a matter of working hard enough and smart enough with a business plan that makes sense just as we both agree on.
Nevertheless, I wish you good luck with your two currently running businesses. You will succeed if you chose to. Remember, difference starts with the individual, not with the masses.

"I have learned to use the word impossible with the greatest caution." by Werner von Braun

 
At 4/24/2006 1:03 AM, Blogger truth said...

The only thing better then reading that reply once, would of course be reading it twice. I guess those language skills don't come into play in the world of posting blog comments.

YOU WROTE: "All this stylish talk did not come from reading books and listening to CDs, as I said in my case, it just comes from who I am as an individual."

Again I am stunned at your elitist attitude, even after being called out on it. I can only imagine that you elitist attitude is compensating for something else that you are insecure about.

YOU WROTE: "I am glad you do and so am I. What guarantees however, that both of us are truthful enough to seek the truth in its entirety?"

My answer to you is simple. I don't give two craps about what your truth is, and if you were truly seeking it your posts would have a different tone to them.

The rest of your response shows just how out of touch with reality you are. You have fallen hard into the mindset that your upline wants. You blame yourself for anything that doesn't happen in the business.

Then in true elitist fashion you claim to know why others quit the business. If you wouldn't mind your highness enlightening me as to how you know the motives of those you have never met?

Also do me a favor and stop envoking God into your talk about this business. It is actually quite insulting. This business is nothing more then greed, and the only God worshipped is money. Anyone who reads the Bible knows the danger of worshipping money.

Also, your statement about not knowing God shows your clear lack of understanding of God. Your reference to not knowing God is Old Testament. Christ dying on the cross tore the veil that seperated man from God and was the sign of God reaching out to man. God would no longer live behind the veil, but would live inside the hearts of his people through the Holy Spirit, which is of course 1/3 of the trinity that is God. I would have to say the one thing that sickens me the most about this business is their misuse and abuse of scripture for personal gain.

You need to wake up anon, your comments are nothing more then the normal run of the mill BS comments that many IBOs like to repeat. The only difference you have added is your comments clearly smack of elitism, with you believing you are superior to others. But, as I said I suspect you are only compensating for an insecurity.

 
At 4/28/2006 9:07 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Thanks for keeping your eye on this post Truth.
Looks like I've hooked a few. ;)
The religion angle is what sickens me the most. I'm sure that selling overpriced cleaning products will get you much closer to God.

 
At 5/02/2006 2:40 AM, Blogger truth said...

I come back every now and then just to see who has found it. You did hook quite a few, it's fun isn't it? Anyway I have my own podcast and I just put one on the air about the religion with Quixtar. You can download it at http://www.quixtarinsideout.com/4-29-06_Podcast11.mp3 there is also a response to someone who commented at my blog, the file is about 30MB, so if you have dial-up it might take a while to download.

 
At 5/07/2006 6:45 PM, Blogger tshsmom said...

Sounds interesting. I might have to have Z help me with this. My computer skills are limited. ;)

 

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